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February 16, 2020


That will be interesting to see how the fence does in a flood. I don’t think I would have put in the last 7 or so posts where the ground really slopes down. Weird how the limes were dry. I have never heard of such a thing either.

That's a lot of fencing! The gardens must be huge!

What a sad little lime!

Ingineer--I agree on the board fence's being too far down the slope. Yesterday, they set metal posts for (presumably) chain-link fencing across the back side. As I was outside working in the yard, yesterday, I could see that they had, in fact, left gaps between the boards that were invisible from farther away, thank goodness.

Liz--The neighbor's lot is 1.5 acres while our lot is actually two lots, each of which is 0.5 acre; so, our back yards are goodly-sized - and are mostly drainage area for the creek.

Interesting how fencing yards is popular in some parts of the country and not in others. Never experienced such fencing in various places we live but then when we moved to Arizona I first encountered it. We had redwood fencing and when I learned we needed to periodically needed to restain it I quickly concluded I would never want a wood fence again since any kind would likely require care of one kind or another. We encountered fences again here in Calif., but it's cement blocks -- pros and cons to that, too, but preferable to the redwood we had, at least for my taste. Surely for large areas chain link might be better for a variety of reasons and especially, if flood waters a potential. To each his own.

Never heard of such limes either. Could they be like blood oranges which can have very little juice that our Ariz. neighbor had in their yard for decorative purposes?

Joared--You brought up several issues. The only time we completely fenced our back yard was at the first house we bought (it was here, in Derby KS). It was on a small lot, with chain link fencing that the neighbors on either side had installed, and we had young children. Our next home, in Seattle, we did not fence. The children were old enough not to need the protection. Our next family home was, again, here in Derby. Originally (ours was the first lot sold in the addition), there were no fences. Eventually, the five children living to one side of us became an issue (pouring sand into the air conditioner, throwing rocks at windows, trespassing to get to the creek - there was no access from their own yard, and such); so, we installed a cedar board fence on that one side. The boards were heftier (wider and thicker) than the boards our current neighbors have used, and stood, without any maintenance at all, until we took it down nearly 40 years later so that the newer neighbor on that side could put up his own fence, as he wished.

My home in Florida had an existing chain-link fence around the small back yard - separating it from the swamp where I loved picking huge, wild blackberries. My home in Albuquerque had a small back yard, surrounded by a concrete block wall. I was the first to buy a lot on my street, but had no choice. The developer installed a concrete wall around each of the homes. The house behind me (I was in the foothills of the Sandias with the front looking out over the Rio Grande valley) was built at a level 20-30 feet higher than was mine.

Here, on another creek in Derby, most of the fencing has been installed to protect children from the creek and/or the neighbors from their dogs. Dogs are big around here. (They wake me each morning and frequently keep me from sleeping (or interrupt my sleep) at night.) I think that, though the houses aren't that expensive, some of the people extended themselves to buy on this street and can't afford better fences. The HOA requires that fences be board or wrought iron; but, obviously, some people either ignore the HOA or the HOA has made exceptions for them. Really, no fence or any other permanent structure is supposed to extend into the drainage easement - which our neighbor has obviously ignored or been granted an exception.

Here, they build walls around graveyards.
Not sure if it's to keep necrophiliacs out or zombies in ;-)

Dogs (keeping in or keeping out), children and trespassers - main reason for fencing anywhere I've lived.

I have picket fencing on two sides of my current property - and both those sides are on the wet side so the picket sections are raised off the ground by 3-5". The entire assemblies need to be replaced. I could just take them out and not replace, but for 2 issues:
1) on one side I have a neighbor that has a hard time realizing and understanding boundaries to begin with - the fence helps (although it doesn't stop all transgressions).
2) On the other side, catty corner to my property, is a large dog whose people don't recognize two lot boundaries and take their dog over to do his business. If I took the fence out, I believe they wouldn't recognize the boundary to my yard either.

Stu--Yes, some of our older cemeteries (still young by European standards) have walls; but, most have some combination of stone piers and wrought iron fencing - often with a low stone wall (1' - 2' high) being topped by rather decorative wrought iron fencing.

Bogie--You reminded me of the one house that I forgot to mention: the one in Wichita. Small house, small yard, pre-existing wire mesh fencing that proved not to be up to the task of corralling your first dog (Casey or KC?) I wasn't knowledgeable enough about restraining dogs in those days. I'm still not, I guess, since that's the only dog with whom I've lived.

Casey was the pup's name. It's hard to tell about dogs.

* Some can be contained by a short fence (Prince would not work hard enough to jump a fence, but would eagerly go thru any opening he chanced upon),
* Others will scale a 6' tall fence (Bogie would climb/scale 6' tall chainlink pen until we place covers over the corners of the pen),
* Still others are smart enough to open gates (Missy would open gates until we got special types of closures).
* I've seen a dog take a running start, then suddenly throw herself flat to slide under a chainlink fence that didn't have bars along the bottom portion (Bogie & Argent's mother)
* And of course some will try to dig below fencing

Never had a dog escape the 6' tall faux wrought iron fencing (it was aluminum) for the yard unless the gate was left ajar (I placed large rocks and small shrubs around the perimeter to keep the digging from being successful.

Bogie--Just as we people have escape methods conforming to our individual capabilities and tastes, so do animals, eh? You are the expert on dog containment, in my book. I've strategically placed concrete pavers where Fred's dog(s) like to break pieces from broken boards in his fence.

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